EBOOK DOWNLOAD [Torture Team Rumsfeld's Memo and the Betrayal of American Values] AUTHOR Philippe Sands
That arise from his interviews thus giving sense of each as Just That A Person that a person ust a player for the team John Yoo had declined my to discuss the Alstotter case but I had a slightly willing response from Doug Feith although our conversation was far from easy It had the great merit however of teasing out the main issues 228The chapter goes on to document the banter between Feith and Sands with Sands concluding Dough Feith went some way in persuading me that the Alstotter case wasn t exactly comparable and that further inuiry would cause offence in some uarters at least 232 Sands writes with personal investment and doesn t ust fall back on relaying he said she did This makes the book easier to swallow as I think it would have been very dry without these touchesSands takes an odd turn towards the end of the book in his attempt to draw parallels between the White House lawyers and Nazi lawyers Sands concludes What happened in Washington in 2002 bore no comparison with what had occurred sixty years earlier in Nuremberg 245 but he immediately follows this with a sentences beginning Yet it wasn t uite that simple Although I agree with Sands argument that the White House lawyers acted far beyond their bounds I don t think its appropriate to compare to them to Nazi lawyers This side track does not add anything to the book I would have preferred to read about the connections or lack thereof between torture at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib as Sands occasionally mentions a connection but does not flesh it out He writes in the conclusion At the very least however it is clear that the pictures of abuse that emerged from Abu Ghraib would have been less likely without the Haynes memo and the culture of ill considered aggression it embraced but I m not sure how this is clear Also alluded to throughout the book is the process of revelation or declassification or investigation of al ahtani s treatment I wasn t too sure because Sands never explains clearly He writes like the public knowledge of what happened was something I should already know about I think the book was published shortly after everything came to light Perhaps Americans know all about the case but I did not so I would have appreciate context regarding what was publicly known and what was investigatedWhile preparing this review I came across a cover that said includes new material I couldn t find specific information on an updated edition but maybe one does existThe Bottom Line An extremely in depth exploration of the role of lawyers in how the torture of Guantanamo detainee Mohammed al ahtani came to be permitted but Sands tempers the information overload by portraying the persons involved as real people rather than mere information sources A remarkable synthesis of legal scholarship and investigative reporting by a British international lawyer that lays out the origins of the Bush Administration s infamous torture memos and makes the case that senior officials and lawyers in the US Government are parties to the commission of war crimes under the Geneva Conventions Insightful dispassionate and based on unprecedented access to key players throughout the entire chain of command Phillipe Sands book is essential to understanding the horrors disgrace and implications of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib Sands disposition of the facts and reasoned analysis lays the foundation for the potential prosecution of Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld as well as their senior lawyers and officialsincluding Alberto Gonzales Douglas Feith William Hayes David Addington John Yoo and Jay Bybee A critically important work not only for policymakers legislators lawyers and scholars but for anyone interested in the restoration of American values of rights freedoms and the rule of law in the pending post Bush world Fascinating and disturbing look at how uickly ages old human rights traditions and even signed conventions can be tossed aside in the name of insert current bogeyman here The case examined with perfect concision here is that of the alleged 20th hijacker who was held at Guantanamo and tortured by US Army personnel for 50 odd days ostensibly because he had information of urgent national security value a supposed ticking time bomb Jack Bauer must save the world scenario The uestions asked by the author as he interviews the US government employees who authorized the torture are important ones to the future of our nation and of the civilized world What really constitutes torture When is it okay to torture Does torture work What are the long term conseuences of any nation and the US in particular officially sanctioning torture How did our system in the space of a few months allow a few political appointees to subvert national traditions prohibiting torture that go back to Abraham Lincoln Can the lawyers who provided legal cover for these appointees be held as accomplices Can any of these individuals be held for trial in another country for crimes against humanity This book is a fascinating examination of an issue of international importance that would be of interest to anyone who has an interest in current events For persons with particular interest in international human rights such as those brought to bear on criminals like Augusto Pinochet or Slobodan Milosovic or Nazi officers this book is a must rea. Al accounts through interview of those most closely involved in the decisions How the Joint Chiefs and normal military decision making processes were circumvented How Fox TV's 24 contributed to torture planning How interrogation techniues were approved for use How the new techniues were used on Mohammed Al ahtani alleged to be the 20th highjacker How the senior lawyers who crafted the policy of abuse exposed themselves to the risk of war crimes charge.
READ ð THISISWHYYOUREFESTIVE.CO.UK È Philippe SandsThis is soooo good I usually hate game books about Political Anything Because I Have anything because I have a hard time keeping but this is really really interesting For a lawyer Sands is completely readable without trying to prose it up too much or keep his recounting parched and distanced I admire his objectiveness regarding certain uestions and his methodology makes it so that you re not coming into this pointing fingers all over the place Obv if you pick this u you re brining some heuristics with you and most likely some bias but he uells the urge to tisk tisk everyone involvedI m almost done this and I feel as though my mind was made up
to his train of It will be interesting to see where the issues he brings up go with the closing of Guantanamo A bit overly detailed as the author recounts how the civilian leadership of the RumsfeldBush defense department first authorized torturing captives at Guantanamo and then attempted to back away from responsibility for giving the orders Sands shows how the orders themselves were greater violations of the Geneva Convention the precedents of the Nuremburg trails and the UN Convention against Torture than were the activities of the interrogators at the prison He recounts every meeting memo and order that led up to the decision to abandon the rule of law but the thrust of the book often gets bogged down in Sands need to discuss every decision made by anyone with possible culpability An important book and the product of tireless research driven by a strong moral view of right and wrong A measured but forceful book Philippe Sands an international law professor is not shy about his own evaluation of the case he argues that top Bush administration lawyers are vulnerable to prosecution for human rights crimes But he makes his case pretty carefully He weaves together the publicly available facts about the torture memos the record of the 54 day interrogation of Mohammed al ahtani and the story of his own investigation of the matter He interviewed key figures in the case including Douglas Feith and William Haynes although Haynes placed the entirety of his interviews off the record Their subordinates and rivals were also sometimes eager to talk to Sands looking for a chance to clear their own reputationsSeveral things are clear from Sands investigation When civilians at the Pentagon put together their guidelines for rough interrogation in late 2002 they deliberately excluded the military s own uniformed lawyers as well as lawyers at the State Department from involvement The Pentagon ignored the most common interpretations of both international and US law exposing American personnel to criminal prosecution It ignored the demands of the trained interrogators of the FBI and NCIS who objected strongly to what they saw in Cuba In approving its 18 harsh interrogation techniues the Pentagon placed no limits on using them together or over extended periods of time a key omission It claimed that abusive interrogation produced crucial intelligence but so far there is no public evidence that this is the case and expert interrogators at the FBI think that it is unlikely in fact they consider these methods counterproductive It claimed that the harsh interrogation techniues originated on the ground at the Guantanamo prison whereas Sands produces evidence that the Guantanamo interrogators and commanders were responding to strong pressure from above And as Sands points out the memos authorizing harsh interrogation at Guantanamo Bay could be interpreted as sanctioning many of the ugliest abuses that are known to have occurred at Abu Ghraib in Ira Very much a book for lawyers A little too dense But interesting how lawyers can and will ignore the law for policy objectives Sands interviewed many senior personnel in the US government Military Judges Senior Lawers and the middle men and women involved in the manipulation to subvert Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions which states No physical or mental torture nor any other form of coercion may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened insulted or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kindSands shows that when people become passionate or pressured into extracting information in the effort to secure a nation under a further terrorist attack measures taken which include re drafting laws and essentially throwing out the old are taken into considerationWhat should be well known is that even if a torture techniue described as being aggressive interrogation techniue in this book is applied to a suspect to extract information often the information is compromised or useless Most people will say almost anything to make torture and humiliation stopIn Sands book he exposes the way lawyers worked their magic to pass new interrogation techniues through and how they were convincing enough for inexperienced interrogators to use on the Guantanamo detaineesThe book is legal reading than general educational reading and I generally prefer the educational but it is well structured and will give you an insight into how the system manipulates others in the system to do things they might not normally doThe US government may not have brought back the rack or pressed som. On December 2 2002 the US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld signed his name at the bottom of a document that listed eighteen techniues of interrogation techniues that defied international definitions of torture The Rumsfeld Memo authorized the controversial interrogation practices that later migrated to Guantanamo Afghanistan Abu Ghraib and elsewhere as part of the policy of extraordinary rendition From a behind the scenes vantage point Phillipe Sa. Eone to death to get a confession but their techniues have been well planned out and layered in such a way that they create psychological anomalies and trauma that would otherwise not have been present Instead of looking at well he s a Muslim think of what if I was subjected to such attacks on myself and I had no way to defend myself or recourse to make it stopThere used to be a saying Innocent until PROVEN guilty But because someone is suspected of terrorism that no longer applies Is this the ustice system that is supposed to be fair This is no ustice for either people who genuinely fear for their lives or for a suspect to have access to a legal trial and have their case fairly represented In centuries passed they had the Inuisition It was horrendous reading The techniues are not those used but how long before it is deemed necessary to do so History repeats itself over and overSands brings how long before it is deemed necessary to do so History repeats itself over and overSands brings a good point that other people who were trying to get the interrogation techniues stopped also pointed out If we re doing this to our detainees what might happen to our troops and civilians when they are caught Someone determined they would cut off our heads But that is not always the case Should we be as bad as them Or stop being bullies and start towing the line The fear factory that has been created as a result of 911 has not made the US safer It has in fact pushed civilian rights out the window and they re disappearing into the wildernessUnlike some books I did not find this was geared at attacking Republican views but rather an examination of how erosion of international laws that the US agreed on came about content wise interesting liked how much of the authors personality came through liked his work a bit hard for me to keep up with dates as I m not good with these things and to keep the bigger picture in mind so it s only out of personal failure that this doesn t get a higher rating for now Aim to re read Starting point for dissertationvery very interesting ideas actually and I liked the scientific backing up of ideas by at least 2 indep sourceslearnt something about being a barristera barrister s way of thinking and about US politicsarguments Liked how some of these things were made accessible and also how he referred back to the N rnberger Prozesse should have summarised the book ust after i read it some of the features very useful diagramsWant to read by same author Will edit this review after reading it again This is not an easy book to read It s a very detailed account of how aggressive new interrogation techniues came to be used on prisoners at Guantanamo and the chain of legal advice that led to those new interrogation techniues being deemed not to be torture It shifts repeatedly from technical legal reasoning to presenting excerpts from interrogation law with not to be torture It shifts repeatedly from technical legal reasoning to presenting excerpts from interrogation law with digressions through the bureaucratic doublespeak of Bush administration officials trying to cover their asses It s a fascinating look at how organizations that are supposed to have safeguards in place against the use of torture can be subverted but bits of it will do your head in I didn t know whether to laugh or cry when Sands confirmed that yes the TV series 24 seems to have had a non trivial influence on the interrogation techniues adoptedBeing a lawyer who specializes in international law Sands spends a lot of careful analysis on whether the interrogation techniues adopted by the Bush administration constituted torture or were in violation of the Geneva convention While the ins and outs of legal reasoning are interesting I might have preferred a book that focused on the evidence of the complete lack of efficacy of these techniues Because sadly I think that many Americans who need to be convinced that this kind of stuff is Not Okay wouldn t be terribly persuaded by technical arguments based on international law but might be persuaded by the notion that it doesn t work Originally posted 23 July 2014 on Falling LettersIn Torture Team Sands explores the role of lawyers who are reuired to give legal opinions on sensitive political matters and asks what responsibility they bear He does this by focusing on the enhanced interrogative techniues approved and used on Guantanamo detainee Mohammed al ahtani I did not think I would review this book It took me a long time to read due to the high level of detail and wide cast of characters with titles and relationships that took some effort to keep track My understanding of the American political system and the intersecting branches of the CIA FBI army navy etc is limited so at times I found it tiring to try to keep track of how everyone related to each other Thankfully Sands includes a list of principal characters and the positions they held during 2002The bulk of this book consists of in depth interviews with most major players in the decision making process then President Bush and Vice President Cheney excluded I had not expected to find conversations between Sands and the villains of the book I expected such people would not grant interviews to be published in a book condemning their actions The inclusions of such interviews makes this a revealing read I also like that Sands includes his own perspective to temper the wealth of interviews He documents the ease or difficulty of securing an interview and the interactions. Nds investigates how the Rumsfeld Memo set the stage for a divergence from the Geneva Convention and the Torture Convention and holds the individual gatekeepers in the Bush administration accountable for their failure to safeguard international law The Torture Team delves deep into the Bush administration to reveal How the policy of abuse originated with Donald Rumsfeld Dick Cheney and George W Bush and was promoted by their most senior lawyers Person. ,Parallel To His Train Of